Excerpts from Newtown Creek Community Planning
Workshop
February 3, 2000
PART 2
“The
first reaction of the students to the Creek is it’s disgusting,
it smells, but after a while an aura of peacefulness comes
over you. Maybe it’s from the water, and the little plants
are creeping up through the concrete, and now you can see
how nature is fighting back against all this.”
“There’s
nobody here, there’s nothing here, just factories. We come
and go and nothing. We need a prison: it will free up space
in New York and get us some money. I have been in the area
for 11 years. I remember a diner, lots of good people, chefs,
waitresses, and months later nothing. Now it’s a porn shop.
I want a 7 story jail with 38 exits which are between the
plant and the water. On the other side, I don’t know what
else you can do with it, it’s empty. Why not a jail? It would
make money.”
“I
was a teenager, and the lumber yards then didn’t have an edge,
no fences, nothing. We could get much closer to the East River.
It hurts us not to be able to get to our river. As citizens
of New York, we have the right to the river. I don’t know
how important this is, but when I was a teenager growing up
in the inner city, we had to initiate to get into this gang.
We had to sneak into the lumberyard, grab a two-by-four, and
me and three guys would go over to Manhattan and then take
the subway back, laughing.”
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“I
looked for a place to live in Long Island City, couldn’t find
much, and soon after that began doing tours of Long Island
City, which I still do. Newtown Creek was this southern boundary.
Boundaries to geography are very interesting things: sometimes
boundaries create interaction, sometimes they keep things
from interacting. And Newtown Creek was always so inaccessible,
I never did much with it. I knew it was there and I just had
to get into it….Newtown Creek has the name of a town that
was founded in Queens along with two others – western Queens,
Queensboro as we know it now, consisted of three towns historically:
Newtown, Flushing and Jamaica. They take their names from
the waterways that led to their founding. Newtown Creek enabled
people to sail up to the very end and found a community in
Maspeth in about 1642.
Not a good place for a community, cause there’s no
good farming land there, you know, the land is not high enough.
Forget about pollution, the land isn’t high enough and eventually
the community settled in Elmhurst, Queens where the land is
high enough to do farming. And Newtown Apple, Newtown Pippen
Apples were the product of Newtown, of the town of Newtown’s
agriculture….At the same time, Flushing Town was settled from
Flushing Bay and Flushing Creek, and Jamaica Town was settled
through Jamaica Bay and a series of bays that lead up to where
Jamaica is, only Flushing had the arable land close to the
waterways, the others had to move. The next instance of Newtown
Creek in history with the change in the meaning of the Creek
is in the 1840s, after Manhattan banned cemeteries…
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"Manhattan’s
a growing place, we don’t want cemeteries there anymore. Cemeteries
have to move, let’s put them on this glacial hill, on these
glacial moraine hillsides in Long Island where no one will
ever want them because it’s too inaccessible. You can get
to them by sailing boats up Newtown Creek and hiking or by
horse & buggy, or by primitive roads into the cemetery.
People would spend the whole day at cemetery outings from
Manhattan, sailing up the creek and getting to the cemeteries
like Calvary and all the others you’ll see on any roadmap.
All that green stuff isn’t parks, they’re cemeteries and they
were accessible by Newtown Creek. The third phase is the railroad.
The railroad was built in 1860 on the Queens side and it’s
still there. It’s lost all its stations in the last 2 years
but you can still ride on the weekdays. In trying to find
a spot on Newtown Creek for my tour group…[I found] a road
you can follow going from underneath the Greenpoint Bridge
on the Queens side and it eventually leads to the railroad
right away, you never see a trespassing sign, although you
are. Eventually you can walk all the way back to Dutch Kills
and where that railroad crosses Dutch Kills there’s a colony
of birds and plants that makes you think you’re someplace
in a wild flower community of some distant National Park on
the weekend, cause there’s no trains. The trains don’t run
through there. That’s a very special place and that shows
what Newtown Creek can be again.”
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